Dickerson Rods For Sale First, no one casts the same. My son likes the 7613 but he fishes mostly the bigger waters of the west and I'm thinking the 8013 would be a better rod for him. 70 0.261 133729 It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. The second you deviate from a straight line, no matter how you want to describe it, the fact that there was a straight line is irrelevant. I would specifically urge all to look at the graphs. This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. and .360@45. (Stephen Dugmore). If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? 4 wt 0.0680 His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. Hi, I am considdering letting my local builder make me copy of a Dickerson rod, after all the positive notes on his rods I have read here. 0.334 85 0.296 138357 I can always build another and I'm sure I will. Jim P. you have some great choices there. (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank (NOW IN A GLOSSY DARK GREEN) $70.00 9' 6" 5wt. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post Quite a disparity. The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! I hope this is for step down ferrule. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. 0.120 I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. I don't think anyone fishes the same. (Jerry Foster). How would this feel? You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. They turn into 5 wts at about 60 feet, up till there, they are are 6 wts. Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). Overhanging trees? We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. Some use this to define the average rod speed. 40 0.180 146694 (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. 80 0.3 Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. He can correct this if he is still hanging around. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. To my knowledge there are at least 3 versions of the 7613 out there. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. That's the "raw cane" numbers. (Will Price). I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. 50 0.213 60 0.231 142296 (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. Just giving a different perspective and what has worked for me. Step Down debate again. What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? 0.128 To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. (John Channer). 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? 45 0.1985 I'll give you a bit of background on the question. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! Dickerson R.W. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. maybe someone else has one! (Bob Norwood). More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. (Chris Obuchowski). Thursday - Saturday, 10am to 4pm. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. 1 wt 0.0540 The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. (Inches) (Inches) Stress These are Bob's dimensions. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. Easy casting and very versatile. I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. .288@30 Lyle Dickerson tapered copies Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. 0.320 Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". Ya'll, I have built this & I use a 6 weight forward on it. like .03%/inch. (Robin Haywood). A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. (Rich Jezioro). It does handle a 7 very well too. The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. They were both practicing engineers! We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. (Robin Haywood). The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. What I do is look at the actual flat to flat measurements of the blank at the ferrule ends, match it against the chart for the best fit. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. (Paul Blakley). Did I just read something about someone saying Dickerson rods are outclassed by today's makers? .266@20 Cross Rods. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. Post Inevitably, if part of the strain is caused by rings ferrules and varnish, as it must be, then its resultant effect will detract from the weight of line that rod will cast. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post And, it's true, if you were really screwed and couldn't get a Dickerson, and were absolutely forced to rough it with a Payne, I do think you could manage to get by without shedding too many tears. (Bob Norwood), The point, whether you like it or not, is that you cannot design a rod that much exceeds mediocrity by using straight tapers. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). 0.266 Pezon/Michel. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. Point Dimension Help from forum members would be welcomed. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. Not too many folks consider these mediocre. Can do a little better some days, but not always. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. Why? But I imagine that high output builders didn't have every rod turn out the same for whatever reason. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. 35 .186 .326 To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. There should be 20 measurements not 19. I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". 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